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Diner / Dinor

I’ll take a jumbo hoagie with a side of BRAINS!

Dear Word Detective: Many small restaurants in the Northwestern Pennsylvania area, especially those built from a trolley or railroad dining car, have the spelling “dinor” on their sign. Is this only for this area or is this found anywhere else? And why this spelling? — Tenderrlee Hughes.

Why? Why ask why? Oh right, because this is a column where I answer questions. OK, well, if you read the fine print I plan to add to my web page as soon as we’re finished here, it says that twice every year, when faced with a weirdly disturbing question, I am allowed to paraphrase the classic line from the 1974 film Chinatown. If you’ve never seen Chinatown, you need to go watch it right now. I’ve seen it about twelve times, so I’ll wait here. Back so soon? No, I’m not talking about “My sister, my daughter…,” much as I love that scene. I mean the final line of the movie, “Forget it, Jake, it’s Chinatown.” Well, forget it, it’s Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania, you see, is weird. Ask any dialectician. Pennsylvania has enough strange terms, phrases and pronunciations found nowhere else to raise serious questions about lost colonies of Martians and the duplicitous government agencies that cover them up. Furthermore, judging by the way “people” in Pennsylvania talk, we’re dealing with more than just one alien settlement. Pennsylvanians in the Philadelphia area in the eastern part of the state, for instance, tend to pronounce “merry” like the rest of us say “Murray” and “sure” like “shore.” They also tend to transport their small children in a “baby coach” down the “pavement,” which is what Earthlings call a “sidewalk.”

But, as is generally true in the US, the further west you go, the weirder it gets. I have always believed that when driving through central Pennsylvania it’s best to avoid stopping and to keep your arms and hands inside the car because of the zombies, but eventually you hit Pittsburgh and all hope is lost. While Philadelphia can boast of enriching generations of cardiologists by inventing the “cheesesteak,” Pittsburghians will forever be known for persistently referring to bologna lunch meat (aka “baloney”) as, for some inscrutable reason, “jumbo.” Compared to that, the local use of “nebby” to mean “nosy” (“neb” being an old English dialect word for “beak”) and “to redd up” for “to clean” seem almost normal.

Given the notable quirks of language in Pennsylvania, spelling “diner” as “dinor” seems only mildly strange. But the fact that it’s only spelled that way in the immediate vicinity of Erie in the northwestern corner of the state is very strange indeed. Yet when you plug “dinor” into Google, you get tons of hits for restaurants using that spelling in their names, and they’re all (cue the spooky music) around Erie.

A “diner,” of course, is a small, economical eatery, originally housed in a railway dining car (known as “diners” since the 1890s) retired and refitted as a stationary structure. The term “diner” was first applied to a non-mobile restaurant in the 1930s, and even today “diners” are often built to resemble the railroad cars they never were, complete with gleaming metal siding and aerodynamically-rounded corners. The New York City area used to be home to hundreds of such diners, often run by Greek immigrants, but the herd has been tragically thinned in recent years by the predations of the fast food empires. The classic Greek diner menu, twenty pages of colorful photos of improbable dishes, all supposedly available around the clock, really belongs in the Smithsonian.

As to why the folks around Erie spell “diner” as “dinor,” nobody knows, and nobody elsewhere, as far as I can tell, does it. My guess is that it started back in the middle of the last century (the heyday of the diner) with a simple typographical error in a sign, which was then copied and spread when other diners in town were established. Being somewhat isolated and off the beaten track up there in northwestern Pennsylvania probably helped. Or maybe it’s just a zombie thing.

5 comments to Diner / Dinor

  • Larry Curtis

    My parents opened “The Park Dinor” in June 1948, and it is still in operation. They had the diner built from scratch from a company in Patterson, New Jersey. The company has since went under. The diner is now in the National Registry of diners. I am very proud of the Dinor and the thought it has served the public so long.
    Larry Curtis.

  • Worker 11811

    Easy…

    “Diner” is too easily confused with misspelled “dinner.”

    It’s spelled with an “O” so that people know you spelled it that way on purpose.

  • Bruce

    Check out Rick Sebak’s 1993 PBS documentary “Pennsylvania Diners and Other Roadside Restaurants.” In the course of visiting diners all over the state, he goes to Erie (he’s based in Pittsburgh) and explores the mystery of why they call them “dinors” there. Seems basically someone just wanted something a little distinctive and it stuck. Very Pennsylvania-ish, if you ask me.

  • Chuck Douville

    thank you.That was quite interesting and informative!

  • Max

    Perhaps not quite to the linguistic point, I have to add my two cents.

    I ate lunch today at the Lawrence Park Diner, open “Tues — Sat 8AM to 2 PM,” and lunch starts at 11. At 4019 Main Street, Erie, PA 16511.

    I had the best Reuben, ever. Seriously! The chili tastes the way chili should taste: not “ketchupy” and with the right amount of heat that works its way down to your stomach. Anything this good has to be dangerous.
    –Triple bypass patient in 2018. If I lived in the area, I’d eat there at least four times a week.

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